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BMW Alpina D3 Timing Chain Snapped

Post by spssco » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:55 pm

Hi ppl,

I have a BMW Alpina D3 2007 57 Plate 70k on the clock and I have had the worst luck of any BMW Driver where my Engine Timing Chain Snapped While Driving. This I know is a Expensive job but I am in a situation where I am deciding as what to do. Please Advise!

I reckon my Choices are:

1) Get the Engine Fixed 5k Minimum
2) Get Engine Replaced if I can find someone who can get me one
3) Sell it on with a broken chain
4) Sell it to a dealer get whatever I can get another car
5) Bang my head on the wall as I lost my Beautiful car :oops:

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Post by v8 ego » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:41 pm

Why not get a 320d engine of a similar vintage and put the Alpina parts in it?
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Post by spssco » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:08 pm

Hi v8 ego

Its the cost implications as the value of the car has depreciated over time.

Is it worth doing? Also having found its a common fault on these N47 Engines it will probably break again after 3 years not knowing any guarantee on when.

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Post by Paulb » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:07 pm

Thats rotten luck, was it not making any rattling noises to pre-warn or did the dealer who services it not mention the onset of the timing chain?

If you're going to keep the car long term then getting it fixed is your best bet - but make sure they rebuild it to Alpina spec not a standard 320 spec.

If you're not going to keep it, then you're only option would be to sell to a dealer or auction it as spares or repair - sadly you're not going to get a lot for it given the cost of the rebuilt engine.
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Post by spssco » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:38 pm

Not a Whisper was heard anytime before or when it lost Power at 60mph on the M25 while driving home. It was lucky I didn't go into the Road works Concrete Dividers from the Fast lane to the Slow weaving through the cars. Its like the car lost everything, Engine, Power Steering, Brakes started to feel Weird. But Yes If I was to keep it probably get it rebuilt meaning practically changing everything in that Engine and not knowing how long it will last.

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Post by Paulb » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:33 am

The rebuilt one engine will have the modification carried out so that the chain doesn't break.
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Post by ABRAD » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:17 pm

Very sorry to hear this.

Have you approached BMW directly regarding this as I'd be very interested to hear their view?

This issue was on BBC's Watchdog several years ago and I am sure that full service history cars were attracting "Good Will" payments at the time and a revised tensioner system being fitted. Think I've got an email somewhere from when I'd enquired, saying that ours didn't have the same issue and did not require booking in for the remedial work.

I think it only related to certain engine numbers - hopefully!!

I know several people that I deal with at work who have run the earlier year cars up to and over 160k.


As usual If this had happened in the US they would have launched a "class action" against BMW - like they did with the constantly fusing central locking (apparently unheard of over here) and the plastic steering lock fault (which to fair they paid half of).

I hope that you get sorted - but I'd definitely dredge up the Watchdog information and fire it over to them asking for help.

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Post by simon13 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:27 pm

Very sad news but its all too common on the 320ds of the same vintage. I'm surprised its taken so long for an alpina owner to suffer this as they were sold in very large numbers in the country by Alpina standards

Whats the spec of the engine? Aren't they internally standard 2.0 engines just a hybrid turbo and reworked intake system along with Alpina exhaust? If so sourcing and engine could be the way forwards. But they're down to about 5-6k now for an average saloon?
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Post by spssco » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:15 pm

ABRAD:

I put in a formal Complaint to Customer Services directly with BMW and they looked at my Chassis No. and said the the following:

"Thanks for your further email.


I’ve checked our records and can confirm your car hasn’t had any recalls, or technical campaigns against it.


I hope this information helps.



Kind regards"

WHICH IS ALOAD OF BULLSHIT!!

I asked Local BMW Garage the cost of fixing the Issue and they replied and said 9k if it was a BMW Engine but because its a Alpina Tuned Engine 15k, So I thought this cant be true for god sakes. I asked few independent Garages who said No-No to much labour involved and might not be a permanent fix could still cost more then the cars value. Well now I am left with a Car Body which I probably have to sell on somehow to recuperate some money for my next car. Deep inside I really don't want to buy another BMW but I am just thinking whether to buy a 3L Engine. No help from BMW at all, I didn't even get the 100 pound inspection fee exempt. The Ultimate Con!

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Post by dodgyken » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:48 am

Did you give them both chassis numbers? BMW and Alpina one?
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Post by BarryM » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:05 am

That's really bad news, I guess it depends on how much you want to keep the car but it's gonna cost a lot. I think Lee Shannon might take it on as he seems happy to totally strip engines (he had the block of a 3 series he was examining when my car was being fixed) so might be worth a call. 07860 945359.
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Post by spssco » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:29 pm

Hi ppl

dodgyken:

Yes I did give both Alpina & BMW Chassis Numbers

BarryM

Who is Lee Shannon may I ask?

I think they are a Fraudulent Company in a sense ask you to cough up extra money for a warranty to cover there unreliability issues. Which don't cover any car over the 100k Mark not forgetting and might not even cover you for the whole cost.

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Post by spssco » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:35 pm

Just Spoken to BMW in Nottingham about the Warranty on these Alpina's and apparently they only get 2yrs after purchase of new + 1 yr Extension at a added cost no more. BMWs get 3yrs + 1 yr choice of extension at a added cost no more.

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Post by dodgyken » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:58 pm

Is the D3 Mono not based on the M47 unit? And therefore not covered by the known issue - Alpina Archive page

It looks like (from wiki.de) that the D3 has the following:
Der D3 besitzt die Injektoren des 535d (genauer: E6X, M57NTOP, 306D4); des Weiteren wurde der Turbolader durch einen Garrett GTB1756VK ersetzt. Der Ladeluftkühler stammt aus dem 325d bzw. 330(x)d (E9X).

(Injectors form the 535d, the Garrett GTB1756VK turbo and the coller from the 325/330d)

Your best bet is speak to a BMW independent and find out how much to migrate the parts to another M47 unit.
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Post by spssco » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:01 pm

I believe it is M47 and not a N47 but don't understand why as its less problematic and surprised me when they did say Timing Chain Issue.

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