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Post by rc944 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:38 pm

just looking ahead and wondering what the next one might be if its not a 911. has anyone moved from an e46 to an e9x and how was it?

ive never really like the post e46/39 era cars from a tactility perspective and im also not a turbo fan

notwithstanding the above, i am still curious so would love to hear from those that have made a similar move

i must add that despite 4 years or so in my ownership im still a very big fan of the e46 and at 77k miles it still has a long way to go!
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Post by scalesg » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:49 pm

I have driven the 9x bi turbo and own a B3S

I am not a fan of them, too modern looking for me, but I would advise driving one for yourself. The pull of the turbo is really good fun, along with other computer gadgetry that lets you just let the wheels turn faster than they should for a brief moment. For me also, in the few miles I did on twisty unknown roads, it feels like it holds the road so much better than the E46, which is really, 20 year old technology now.

Worth a go, but for me I would stick with the E46. Or if both are an option, do that. I am not sure anyone can have too many Alpinas.... :D
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Post by dodgyken » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:40 am

I used to own a B3X BiTurbo Coupe and a Roadster S - so although the E46 doesn't appear in that selection there is some relevance.

In terms of engine appeal the Roadster S wins hands down - it sounded epic and gave the car a far more aggressive feel than the BiTurbo unit in the B3. The best way of describing that engine was muscular - rounded and powerful - in a sort of James Bond manner.

The engines, although not dominating the character, are key parts of each car's overall driving dynamics. Although the Roadster could be driven on low down torque it was far better being wrung out. The B3 can be driven quickly lower down the rev-range, it is more forgiving on the chosen gear (especially out of hairpins) and means you can make very rapid progress with less aural notification.

Both engines are superb bits of engineering - despite the 3.4s known faults - but the BiTurbo unit is probably the better daily driver and already package. If you use the car daily and want a great Q-car appeal the BiTurbo wins; if you are using the car irregularly and want something more iconic, then the high-reving 3.4 is going to be more appealing.

The E9x chassis will run rings round the E46 chassis though!
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Post by ---pete--- » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:52 am

I had a B3 3.3 several years ago and sold it (big mistake). A couple of years ago I just missed it too much and went out and bought an E46 B3s Coupe. The difference between these two was pretty marginal in my opinion but there is definitely a bit more guts in the 's' version.

Last year I was in a position to sell the wife's car and move her into the B3s while I went out and bought a E92 B3 Bi Turbo, therefore still run both these cars. The difference between the two is massive. The biturbo is a lot faster, handles a lot better, is much more refined and clearly feels a much newer car. However, the general look is just not an E46 and although the in car drive is a bit louder, the exhaust note of the E46 wins every time.

I drive the biturbo as my daily drive but when we do a car swap for a few days here and there, the E46 puts a big smile on my face. I just miss the power of the biturbo when in the E46. It really is a lot quicker in my opinion and the gear change, significantly quicker. As a daily drive - hardly anything in it on fuel consumption really. That all depends on how right footed you are I think. Somewhere between 25 and 30 mpg for me in both unless I'm having some fun or on a long motorway trip.

If you can, get a biturbo or at least drive one for a few days but I would never recommend selling the E46. I did it once and won't do it again.

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Post by scalesg » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:19 pm

Everyone is saying the same thing!!

Now the question is, is your drive big enough for another Alpina!! :D
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Post by rc944 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:32 pm

well thats cleared that up then and thanks for all the input..

so whilst the drive is big enough i barely get time to drive the car and its doing sub 5k a year and the ducati is getting even less love

now putting sensible hat on... even if i sold the e46 i would need to pony up what i get in sale proceeds to fund the e9x biturbo s and from the sounds of it its not going to give me double the enjoyment so it gets me to back where i started from...

i think i will def seek out a drive in one but in the meantime continue to enjoy the e46
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Post by Paulb » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:12 pm

I can only compare handling between the E46, E91 and F31

The handling of the 3 are all very different. The E46 wins over the E91 in terms of overall car balance but the uprated anti-roll bars on the E91 make it feel more planted to the road.

The F31 feels like a heavy beast, until you really start to throw it around the lanes (like on a spirited drive from the Alpina meet) - then it really comes alive, helped mostly by the simply outstanding acceleration.

So for me, the E46 wins between the it and the E9x in handling terms. The F3x though wins overall.
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