Will the price of the car increase with age like an M3

hicky73 · Post by **hicky73** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:14 pm

Ok so being new to this car and reading how limited they are etc. I was wondering... will these cars increase in value? Mines a 56 plate D3.

Not planning to sell it or anything as i only bought it saturday but just a question.

Loving the car by the way 😊 once its valeted to my standards i will upload some pics

Martyn

jamesa · Post by **jamesa** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:59 am

Which M3 ?

Nothing wrong with dirty pictures ...

robmarrs · Post by **robmarrs** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:23 pm

I think it is too early to tell, but I am not sure any oil burning Alpina will ever make it in the same ways later model M3 (E36, E46) are starting too.

To my mind having looked at possibly running a S/H D3 Touring as a daily driver, it could not make it stack up. There in is the problem, most D3's are bought to run as company drives in their early years this results in high mileages, when they get to the S/H market trying to find one that is less than 100K miles in not easy, and less than 60K very hard! the ones that are about are such a premium over say a 330d or 335d of the same age it don't make sense. The later models which have the 8 speed auto are phenominal cars performace wise, but then I suppose so is the current D3 3.0BT.

Anyway none I have come across have a spec that I woud be happy to have, given I want an Auto box, NAV and electric heated leather seats minimum, and would prefer something other than a boring black interior..... yes i know my B6s is black inside, but there is very limited choice with this model. This spec is virtually unheard of in a MT and rare in a BT from what I can see!

I suspect ultimately the rarer spec petrol models will hold there own and go up in price, certainly right spec e46 B3S and E53 Roadsters are creeping up now. B5's and B6's have remained much the same the last two years. These are what I would invest in as a second car.

I also have a real problem with depreciation on cars I own, which clouds my view as to where I should spend my hard earned as well! If you like it and enjoy yours thats great.

PhillV8S · Post by **PhillV8S** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:40 pm

robmarrs wrote:yes i know my B6s is black inside, but there is very limited choice with this model.

And the understatement of the year goes too....

As has been mentioned on here before, rarity doesn't always equate to appreciating prices. Buy your car to enjoy, if it doesn't lose money or gains abit over time take it as a bonus.
Some of the the rarer petrol engines cars may go up over time but doubt they will match the most sought after "M" cars as investment material...be nice if they did though.

PerryGunn · Post by **PerryGunn** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:11 pm

robmarrs wrote:...I suspect ultimately the rarer spec petrol models will hold there own and go up in price, certainly right spec e46 B3S and E53 Roadsters are creeping up now....

I think you mean the E85-based Roadster S, the E53 was the first-gen X5

E24man · Post by **E24man** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:57 pm

v8 ego · Post by **v8 ego** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:47 am

PerryGunn wrote:
robmarrs wrote:...I suspect ultimately the rarer spec petrol models will hold there own and go up in price, certainly right spec e46 B3S and E53 Roadsters are creeping up now....
I think you mean the E85-based Roadster S, the E53 was the first-gen X5

Or E52 Roadster V8?

robmarrs · Post by **robmarrs** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:23 am

PerryGunn wrote:
robmarrs wrote:...I suspect ultimately the rarer spec petrol models will hold there own and go up in price, certainly right spec e46 B3S and E53 Roadsters are creeping up now....
I think you mean the E85-based Roadster S, the E53 was the first-gen X5

Indeed I do, senior moment, have had both you see,

I have just about got all my E numbers sorted and the bloody F's come out, now I am really confused, I though F12 was on my keyboard!

robmarrs · Post by **robmarrs** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:26 am

v8 ego wrote:
PerryGunn wrote:
robmarrs wrote:...I suspect ultimately the rarer spec petrol models will hold there own and go up in price, certainly right spec e46 B3S and E53 Roadsters are creeping up now....
I think you mean the E85-based Roadster S, the E53 was the first-gen X5
Or E52 Roadster V8?

Have not won the lottery quite yet! but there is one Alpina that seems to command a premium.

Anybody actually seen one or own one?

dodgyken · Post by **dodgyken** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:28 am

And do not confuse value with liquidity.

Chances are that the rare premium spec cars (B6S with a good colour combinations and full lavalina) will be worth good money - the question is whether a buyer can be found willing to pay what is should be worth.

Is it worth buying an Alpina to make money? Nope!!

But with the older models no longer depreciating - and offering a good combination of sport/luxury - they could prove cheaper overall ownership propositions than other cars.

PerryGunn · Post by **PerryGunn** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:15 pm

v8 ego wrote:
PerryGunn wrote:
robmarrs wrote:...I suspect ultimately the rarer spec petrol models will hold there own and go up in price, certainly right spec e46 B3S and E53 Roadsters are creeping up now....
I think you mean the E85-based Roadster S, the E53 was the first-gen X5
Or E52 Roadster V8?

possibly, but I wouldn't say the values of those or of the Z1-based Roadster RLE are 'creeping up', they're already fetching premium prices...

Perhaps it's the Roadster S' turn next

Metrics · Post by **Metrics** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:37 pm

robmarrs wrote:I think it is too early to tell, but I am not sure any oil burning Alpina will ever make it in the same ways later model M3 (E36, E46) are starting too.

To my mind having looked at possibly running a S/H D3 Touring as a daily driver, it could not make it stack up. There in is the problem, most D3's are bought to run as company drives in their early years this results in high mileages, when they get to the S/H market trying to find one that is less than 100K miles in not easy, and less than 60K very hard! the ones that are about are such a premium over say a 330d or 335d of the same age it don't make sense. The later models which have the 8 speed auto are phenominal cars performace wise, but then I suppose so is the current D3 3.0BT.

Anyway none I have come across have a spec that I woud be happy to have, given I want an Auto box, NAV and electric heated leather seats minimum, and would prefer something other than a boring black interior..... yes i know my B6s is black inside, but there is very limited choice with this model. This spec is virtually unheard of in a MT and rare in a BT from what I can see!

I suspect ultimately the rarer spec petrol models will hold there own and go up in price, certainly right spec e46 B3S and E53 Roadsters are creeping up now. B5's and B6's have remained much the same the last two years. These are what I would invest in as a second car.

I also have a real problem with depreciation on cars I own, which clouds my view as to where I should spend my hard earned as well! If you like it and enjoy yours thats great.

+1
Eloquently put. Sums up exactly my thoughts having also considered as a daily.

MCB · Post by **MCB** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:50 pm

PhillV8S wrote:As has been mentioned on here before, rarity doesn't always equate to appreciating prices. Buy your car to enjoy, if it doesn't lose money or gains abit over time take it as a bonus.

I have been giving a lot of thought recently with regards the newer Alpina cars and if they will ever achieve classic status. The mechanics and bodywork of the cars will probably get there, but what about all of the fancy electronics fitted these days. Would folks be willing to shell out the thousands of Â£s so as to keep them running. A BMW tech guy told me the other day that the majority of the major electronic components will usually start to fail after 10-11 years. Great if you only keep your new car for 4-5 years. But could turn out to be damned expensive for the guy who wants to take the car into its classic years.

The reason I had been thinking this is that the idrive unit on our E60 failed recently. A car that is worth around 4k and repairs that could end up costing 2k. Then if we get that fixed what will be the next piece of electronic trickery to fail! A 12 year old car Tick! Tick! Tick!

I honestly feel we are now in the age of the "throw away car"

John_C · Post by **John_C** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:30 am

Thankfully that's not true, the aftermarket always catches up and those expensive replacements become cheap(er) repairs.

Been hearing the same protestations of electronic module doom for decades, hasn't happened yet and I doubt it ever will.

That said, there is usually a crossover point where cars are relatively new but not so high value where such things are still dealer-only and that's when it can really sting.

MCB · Post by **MCB** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:49 am

John_C wrote:Thankfully that's not true, the aftermarket always catches up and those expensive replacements become cheap(er) repairs.

Been hearing the same protestations of electronic module doom for decades, hasn't happened yet and I doubt it ever will.

That said, there is usually a crossover point where cars are relatively new but not so high value where such things are still dealer-only and that's when it can really sting.

I have to agree with you when it comes to age related mechanical components. But sadly not the case with electronics. My wallet can confirm that

I was genuinely shocked after stripping out the boot area of our E60 and finding so many wires and electronic components/modules.

And that is just the boot!

You can find almost anything aftermarket mechanical on eBay for the E60. Try finding aftermarket major electronics such as the idrive unit.

Come back to me in another 6 years and see if you can say the same thing