Road tax revisions

jolls · Post by **jolls** » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:25 pm

Not strictly Alpina but it will effect all motorist one way or another.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/c ... k-road-tax

WINNE1 · Post by **WINNE1** » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:19 pm

So no reprieve for that old V10 M5 ...

b9boy · Post by **b9boy** » Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:40 pm

This doesn't look to change things for older cars? So older cars pay what....Â£140 a year or the current Â£285 ish?

TBH I dislike new cars (despite having one on the drive) so don't intend buying another one anytime soon.

Having said that it does strike me the powers that be force manufacturers to get clean, then realise they've actually done it, realise they get no tax income and then move the goalposts. Whilst it's not exactly cricket it is amusingly predictable. All part of life's games. I'll be sticking to my E28 B9 and not caring what silly fun and games go on around me

AidanB10 · Post by **AidanB10** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 2:40 am

WINNE1 wrote:So no reprieve for that old V10 M5 ...

Thanks for the reminder....

Bri-E · Post by **Bri-E** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:29 am

If only they had used their brain cell and charged all these low or zero emission cars Â£50 a year as they use the roads as well !!

I won't mention free charging points.

MCB · Post by **MCB** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:57 pm

It is about time that they take into account the millage that cars cover each year.

Some of us only cover around 5k per year, yet we pay the same as the guy who does 20k! How can that be a fair system?

It would not be hard to implement a fairer system. After all DVLA can see the millage of each car through MOT records. You use the roads more, you pay more. You use the roads less then you pay a lower rate.

Now you can shoot me!

JASV8S · Post by **JASV8S** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 2:25 pm

I won't shoot you, sounds ok to me. Government is always harping on about progressive taxation so fair enough.

MCB · Post by **MCB** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:42 pm

Charles can shoot me then

PerryGunn · Post by **PerryGunn** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:34 pm

MCB wrote:It is about time that they take into account the millage that cars cover each year.

Some of us only cover around 5k per year, yet we pay the same as the guy who does 20k! How can that be a fair system?

It would not be hard to implement a fairer system. After all DVLA can see the millage of each car through MOT records. You use the roads more, you pay more. You use the roads less then you pay a lower rate.

Just roll it into fuel duty... the more you drive, the more you pay and the lower CO2 cars are usually the most economical so they get their incentive... and nobody can avoid it - except the pikies who steal their red diesel and they probably don't bother with tax/insurance at the moment anyway

MCB · Post by **MCB** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:29 am

Scrapping road tax and putting it on the cost of fuel was on the cards some years ago, under the Labour government. But for some reason they pulled the plug on the idea.

Mickl · Post by **Mickl** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:25 pm

MCB wrote:Scrapping road tax and putting it on the cost of fuel was on the cards some years ago, under the Labour government. But for some reason they pulled the plug on the idea.

Probably because at the moment they have two taxes they can raise each year, fuel duty and RFL, it might be a bit more unpopular if all the rise went on fuel each year. (he said cynically)

MarkWG · Post by **MarkWG** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:53 pm

MCB wrote:It is about time that they take into account the millage that cars cover each year.

Some of us only cover around 5k per year, yet we pay the same as the guy who does 20k! How can that be a fair system?

It would not be hard to implement a fairer system. After all DVLA can see the millage of each car through MOT records. You use the roads more, you pay more. You use the roads less then you pay a lower rate.

Now you can shoot me!

I will

! Fuel is double taxed anyway, fuel duty then VAT, so we are taxed per mile. I prefer, in very basic terms, RFL to access the road system, fuel tax to pay for the use of it - which seems fair enough, until the Government needs another cash cow to milk...

MCB · Post by **MCB** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:25 am

I don't have a problem with RFL. Just that many of us have cars that only cover a few thousand miles each year and spend much of there time tucked away in the garage. Not parked on the road even. Yet we still have to pay the same as the guy who uses his car on a daily basis. I just feel that it should be more proportionate.

MarkWG · Post by **MarkWG** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:13 am

MCB wrote:I don't have a problem with RFL. Just that many of us have cars that only cover a few thousand miles each year and spend much of there time tucked away in the garage. Not parked on the road even. Yet we still have to pay the same as the guy who uses his car on a daily basis. I just feel that it should be more proportionate.

Yep, me too: that's what SORN is for - not in use or on the road = no tax, if you SORN it. When you want it back on the road, tax online in seconds.

PerryGunn · Post by **PerryGunn** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:10 pm

MarkWG wrote:
MCB wrote:I don't have a problem with RFL. Just that many of us have cars that only cover a few thousand miles each year and spend much of there time tucked away in the garage. Not parked on the road even. Yet we still have to pay the same as the guy who uses his car on a daily basis. I just feel that it should be more proportionate.
Yep, me too: that's what SORN is for - not in use or on the road = no tax, if you SORN it. When you want it back on the road, tax online in seconds.

SORNing when not in use is fine if the car's off the road for an extended period, but, to be of any real use for low-mileage 'cherished' cars, the tax system needs a resolution that's better than a calendar month - as it stands, if you use your car 1 day per month you'd still have to pay 12 month's tax...