E46 B3S

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E46 B3S

Post by Pencraig » Sun May 16, 2021 4:33 pm

Hi.
I'm a new member to the Register, and I don't yet have an Alpina. I've had an E46 M3 and E39 M5 in the past and currently own an Audi RS4 (B7) saloon

I'm looking for a B3S (E46) if anyone knows of a good, low miler, and any advice on what to look for and known issues. Distance no object!

Many thanks

Rob

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Re: E46 B3S

Post by rc944 » Sun May 16, 2021 6:03 pm

whats low miles and whats your budget?
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Re: E46 B3S

Post by CaesarBob » Sun May 16, 2021 7:12 pm

What body styles would you consider, and are you only interested in the B3S’ or would you consider the 3.3’s too?
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Re: E46 B3S

Post by Pencraig » Sun May 16, 2021 8:20 pm

Thanks for the quick responses.

Not a convertible but open minded otherwise and if a B3 or 3S

Low miles, again flexible but below 50K, say, and budget £25K, or more if exceptional.

RS4 to be sold to finance purchase.
There was a one owner B3S advertised earlier in the year @£26K, I think, with under 10,000 miles.

Open to advice on this as I've no seen many for sale in last 6 months

Thanks

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Re: E46 B3S

Post by Fast3000 » Sun May 16, 2021 8:25 pm

Good luck with the hunt - it's part of the fun. You have come to the right place for info- should if you need any guidance there are some helpful people on here :) Off the top of my head general e46 stuff you might be familier with: e.g. Rust on arches, boot lid area, front arches. For specific Alpina B3S stuff:

1. Alpina suspension - when and if it was ever replaced? These cars are getting 14+ years old and no matter what the mileage the shocks and springs will need looking at.

2. B3S suffers from Head gasket failure around the 80 K (some reported a bit more) but its inevitable so budget for it.

3. Make sure the gear changes are smooth (as all were auto)

4. On a cold start they will sound rough (part of the character!) but you will be use to that from your S54 M3.

Consider what you will use the car for - Cabs are cruising machines and you get to hear the engine a tad more. Coupe (in my opinion feel lighter), saloons and tourings are harder to find but a great package!

The 26K one has been infamously for sale for a while. Its low mileage but if it were me I would want to check how it has been stored, and if a recommission process was carried out.
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Re: E46 B3S

Post by Pencraig » Sun May 16, 2021 8:30 pm

Thanks, that's helpful

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Re: E46 B3S

Post by rc944 » Sun May 16, 2021 10:51 pm

your budget gets you garage queen material so if you're not bothered about depreciation then you wont be spoilt for choice they dont come up often

in the 10-15k range gets you something you can use typically north of 80k miles but be mindful of HG on the later 3.4 engines

below 10k gets you a decent base but some major projects to budget for as fasty has called out

rust an issue with them all esp if used as a daily on uk roads

gbox and/or torque converter will need work
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Re: E46 B3S

Post by Pencraig » Mon May 17, 2021 9:16 am

Many thanks,

I'll research independent engineers to get a report and perhaps lower my sights as well!

Regards

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Re: E46 B3S

Post by rc944 » Mon May 17, 2021 11:35 am

dont waste your money - just put a call out here and one of us can sniff around the car with you. many of us know these things quite well so youll be in safe hands
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Re: E46 B3S

Post by CaesarBob » Mon May 17, 2021 12:58 pm

Pencraig wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 8:20 pm
Not a convertible but open minded otherwise and if a B3 or 3S

Low miles, again flexible but below 50K, say, and budget £25K, or more if exceptional.
Shame you're not looking for a cabrio, this one has just been relisted and the interior is a beauty: E46 B3 S CABRIO #233

The 10k mile Coupe is still for sale by the look of it:
B3 S COUPE [E46 LCI] #136; 90BMW567 - ALPINA Blue II/N6HC - Light Beige Montana w Blue Piping Leather; 2005_05; £26.0k; 10k; Private

The only other E46, non-Cabrio's that I've seen for sale in the last couple of years that are sub-50k miles are these:
B3 3.3 [E46] #236; FQ86-60R3 - ALPINA Green/N6TT - Grey Montana w Blue/Green Piping Leather; 1999_V; 43k;
B3 S [E46 LCI] #237; 90BMW567 - ALPINA Blue II/N9TT - Grey Nappa Leather; 2005_54; 40k;
B3 S COUPE [E46 LCI] #094; 438 - Japan Red/N6SW - Black Montana w Red Piping Leather; 2004_53; 38k;
B3 S COUPE [E46 LCI] #122; 359 - Mora (Sonderlack)/N9CM - Champagne Nappa w Purple Piping Leather; 2004_54; 42k;

They all appear to have sold except Saloon #237 which was up privately, then with a Broker. It is still registered on the same cherished plate so I surmise on that basis that it hasn't sold. It was discussed here: viewtopic.php?f=57&t=24062
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Re: E46 B3S

Post by CaesarBob » Mon May 17, 2021 1:10 pm

These seem to be the only non-Cabrio E46 B3's currently for sale in the usual places:

B3 3.3 [E46] #213; 303 - Cosmos Black/N6TT - Grey Montana Leather; 2000_V; £4.8k; 155k; eAuction
B3 3.3 TOURING [E46 LCI] #145; * Orient Blue/* Black Montana Leather; 2002_02; £8.0k; 110k; Private
B3 3.3 COUPE [E46] #113; 317 - Orient Blue/N6SW - Black Montana Leather; 2000_X; £13.5k; 76k; Trade
B3 3.3 COUPE [E46] #219; 354 - Titanium Silver/N9HS - Light Silver Grey Nappa w Indigo Piping Leather & Indigo Carpet; 2001_51; £8.0k; 136k; Private
B3 3.3 COUPE [E46] #233; 453 - Midnight Blue (Sonderlack)/N6HC - Light Beige Montana Leather; 2002_02; £9.0k; 131k; Trade
B3 S COUPE [E46] #007; 475 - Black Sapphire/N6TT - Grey Montana Leather; 2002_52; £14.0k; 113k; Trade
B3 S COUPE [E46 LCI] #136; 90BMW567 - ALPINA Blue II/N6HC - Light Beige Montana w Blue Piping Leather; 2005_05; £26.0k; 10k; Private
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Re: E46 B3S

Post by jonny320is » Mon May 17, 2021 1:22 pm

Just a comment on the head gasket, I've heard this a few times as was prepared for it when I bought mine 11 years ago but I'm coming up to 130k miles and I'm still on the original gasket, no issues, drives as sweet as ever.
I think it will depend on how it's been driven and how much mechanical sympathy the previous owners have had.
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Re: E46 B3S

Post by ---pete--- » Mon May 17, 2021 1:54 pm

A very interesting comment and one that I was also considering posting. My B3S has just clicked over to 137k miles and is also on it's original gasket as far as I'm aware.

I know these are definitely something that go but I would be keen to see how many of the owners on here have not had to replace / have a car that definitely hasn't had any issues.

It's something I'm always waiting to have problems with but compression tests have never highlighted anything wrong.
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Re: E46 B3S

Post by Pencraig » Tue May 18, 2021 8:51 am

Thanks everyone for your help and time, I'm really impressed.

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Re: E46 B3S

Post by Fast3000 » Tue May 18, 2021 12:00 pm

Im glad to see owners sharing experiences of over 100k without any notable HG issues. (Pleased those rumours are true!)

Of course having a more delicate right foot helps but what other preventive approaches have you taken? Oil changes more often?
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