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Re: E10 Fuel

Post by Norrie » Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:47 am

Charles, yes helps with total clarity for me. Many thanks.
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Re: E10 Fuel

Post by JohnW » Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:55 pm

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Photo from my owners manual. I think I’ll be habitually using 98 Ron too in future unless I can only find 95, regardless of the ethanol E content.



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Re: E10 Fuel

Post by Aggie » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:16 pm

I've always used Super unleaded since I've had the car. If I understand correctly, it's the standard 95 octane that is changing to E10 with 98+ octane fuels remaining E5 for the foreseeable future. Suits me. :D :D
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Re: E10 Fuel

Post by Charles » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:30 pm

Aggie wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:16 pm

If I understand correctly, it's the standard 95 octane that is changing to E10 with 98+ octane fuels remaining E5 for the foreseeable future.
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Re: E10 Fuel

Post by hap » Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:12 pm

Just nipped to my Tesco all the super unleaded puns all close off
I did notice the regular unleaded is now denoted e10 which prev said e5
Is it really goin to perish the innards if using all time ? I just put 50 of e10 in

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Re: E10 Fuel

Post by Charles » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:41 pm

hap wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:12 pm
Is it really goin to perish the innards if using all time ? I just put 50 of e10 in
As per the Alpina statement at the top of this thread:
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Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:14 pm
When Germany moved to E10 Alpina released this information (translation from German):

From production January 1998, all factory ALPINA petrol engines that are suitable for operation with super fuel (RON 95) are suitable for super fuel (RON 95, E10, E DIN 51626-1) without restriction.

Note: The maximum performance and optimal consumption values ​​are only achieved with Super-Plus 98 RON.

Vehicles with production up to 1998 can be operated with Super Plus E5 (ROZ98, DIN EN 228, E DIN 51626-1).
This means that you can run your car on E10 fuel without any consequences in terms of engine damage
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Re: E10 Fuel

Post by woolley11 » Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:29 pm

I’ve just been to Tesco today to pop a few litres of E5 in but they’ve run out. I’ve put some E10 in instead.

I think as long as you have a good tankful or so of E5 in, then mixing it with E10 top ups won’t cause any harm
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Re: E10 Fuel

Post by Charles » Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:14 pm

woolley11 wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:29 pm
I’ve just been to Tesco today to pop a few litres of E5 in but they’ve run out. I’ve put some E10 in instead.

I think as long as you have a good tankful or so of E5 in, then mixing it with E10 top ups won’t cause any harm
E10 would not be a problem in your car apart from lower performance and worse mpg.

Like you, my local Shell was out of Vpower on Friday evening so put 5 litres of E10 in to get me to the other side of town where I diluted the green stuff down to virtually nothing. Not prepared to give up on performance 😀
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Re: E10 Fuel

Post by nealpina » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:23 pm

I assume 1998 is a ballpark figure

Therefore, is anyone aware if the B3 and B10 3.2 pre-1998 can use E10?
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Re: E10 Fuel

Post by Grumpyjohn1957 » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:15 pm

My preferred fuel options in order are, V Power, Esso Supreme+, Tesco Momentum. I find V Power quieter & smoother than the others providing a progressive power delivery. Supreme is rocket fuel, touch the throttle and she’s off like a scolded cat. Momentum I would describe as fairly neutral but errs towards the characteristics of supreme. I don’t see much consumption difference between brands, Supreme possibly being better on a light foot. Price differences at local watering holes can be significant though with V. Power £1.60 plus, Momentum £1.45.
On more than one occasion I’ve been unable to get too or find a fuel station with the above in stock, so I’ve resorted to £30 of E10 95 Ron by whoever in the tank. You know what? It isn’t that bad. Economy down maybe 5-10% but the car runs smooth and quiet maybe with less urgent pick up.
On Friday I found myself down to 5 miles remaining so dived into a BP. I noticed that the Ultimate pump stated E5 97 Ron. Chucked in £40 and drove off.
The car now runs like a dog. I’ve had engine shudders, terrible economy, performance drop off and jerky or hesitant gear changes since. I vaguely recall trying Ultimate when I first had the car and being unimpressed, so sod the expense it’s a tank of V. Power tomorrow!

Is it just me, is it soured fuel or have others noticed this?
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