Bl**dy F*&^%$£g RAC

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Post by Charles » Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:41 pm

Slightly more than a rambling this weekend.

On Tuesday I had my car serviced - along with a coolant change. Wednesday morning everything was fine on the way over to Aylesbury but on my trip home things started to go wrong. Sitting in some traffic I noticed the air conditioning hunting to find some temperature. A moment later, as I started to pull away, one of the belts started squealing. A couple of hundred yards down the road and the temperature starts climbing from Normal.

I get to the first safe place to pull over and switch everything off. Switching the ignition back on (without starting the car) and there is the Low Coolant warning light. Lift the bonnet and squeeze the top radiator hose and it feels empty - but no obvious palls of steam anywhere. So, at just before 4pm I called the RAC:

"I've broken down"
"What's the problem?"
"It looks like I've lost all the coolant so will need a flatbed to get my car to the local dealer because of the low front spoiler preventing you from towing the car"
"We'll be with you in 2.5 hours"

Now, I'm not in the middle of nowhere - 2 miles SW of Aylesbury to be exact - and there isn't bad weather or any major traffic incidents on the radio so I am a little surprised by the timings. At 5pm I get an update - still on target for 6.30pm - so I point out I am not near anywhere where I can stay warm and I am into my third fleece, beanie hat and thinsulate gloves with a blanket wrapped round my legs:

"We'll mark you down as a priority, Sir"

Well, true to their original word, at 6.30pm the RAC chap arrives - in a sodding Transit :evil: 5 minutes later the conversation goes something like this:

"Looks like you've lost the coolant"
"Yes"
"Looks like this split in the expansion tank is the cause"
"OK"
"We' need to recover you on a flatbed because of your low front spoiler"
"Yes"
"They'll be here within 90 minutes"
"...

... actually I cannot repeat exactly what I said at the time in case there are children present, but I did preface it by telling him that it wasn't aimed personally at him. I must admit he handled it well but did seem slightly taken aback by some of my coarser Anglo-Saxon utterings.

When I had finished - which, by the way dear reader, meant that I had actually warmed up a little bit - he suggested that he took me to the local pub (about a mile away) whilst I waited for the flatbed driver to pick me up and recover my car. However, I was somewhat torn between leaving my car on the side of the road and having a warm meal. My stomach won over my heart and 5 minutes later I am in the pub and the clock is ticking towards 8pm.

8pm comes and goes so I call the RAC again - only to be told it will now be 9pm - so back into the pub:

"What's happening?" asked my new bunch of friends - a lovely group from Manchester who had been at a funeral earlier in the day and were the remnants of the wake which had actually finished at 2 that afternoon!
"Going to be 9pm now" I replied
"Better have another drink then" they responded slurrily

So I did - and another for good measure too :D

9pm arrives and the phone goes - great I am thinking, the driver is on his way and about to pick me up. But no, it was the RAC again:

"Going to be 10pm" they replied without any apology
"10pm!" I exclaimed fruitily and then another Anglo-Saxon discussion (well, one-sided tirade) started up.

Back to the bar and I find my friends have decided to open a sweepstake on when I will actually get home :lol:

Eventually the driver arrives at spot-on 10pm (I'm sure he had been waiting round the corner watching the time tick by) and we head off to recover the car, drop it at NOG and then he kindly drives me home.

At 11.30pm - 7.5 hours after breaking down - I get home in the sure and certain knowledge that I could have been home quicker if I had walked the 25 miles.

The good news is that NOG took a look, fixed the car and then called me to say that they had returned it to my house and weren't going to charge me because it could have been a result of the coolant change the day before. Now that's what I call customer service :D :D :D

As for the RAC - well, I am almost ready to give them a call and discuss whether they are happy with the way I was treated (particularly as I had diagnosed the problem and defined the required solution when I first spoke to them) and then we'll see whether they are as good at negotiating as they are at estimating recovery times for a longstanding customer. :twisted:
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Post by Hector's Dad » Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:09 pm

Sorry for your trouble Charles but it made for an entertaining read on a very cold Sunday afternoon. :wink:

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Post by olli » Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:24 pm

sounds like a nightmare experience.

They all do use the same policy of getting a mobile man to have a look at it first, before the decision of deploying flatbed is taken. That way they make sure the flatbeds don't get sent unnecessarily. I had it before with a blown turbo one, where the diagnosis was very easy and the same procedure was applied, only much faster.

Still no excuse for it taking that extremely long, but at least the NOG action was nice

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Post by neil » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:00 pm

I had the same with my Subaru - I knew it was a catastrophic failure - I stated such to the call centre - flat bed its not going anywhere my exact words. So 1.45 later and he arrived in a transit - OFFS were my first words - approx 2 mins later he'd concurred and a flat bed was ordered - 2 hrs apparently.

The only saving grace was the flatbed arrived earlier than stated.

7.5 hours is shocking !

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Post by John_C » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:03 pm

I had exactly the same experience some years ago, I had a rear wheel bearing seize so badly that the car would stall rather than move forwards even if I was quite aggressive with the clutch (this was a pug 306 which I had already decided to sell due to a litany of issues....).

So I called the RAC and explained the situation, told them that I knew the car couldn't be towed back to where it needed to be as it was too far to tow on the front wheels (as per the handbook). They sent out a recovery bloke in a transit who did nothing but say "yeah, you need a flatbed". Happy I was not.

He towed it to a safe place and I spent the night at a friends house, the next morning what turns up but a tow truck, not a flatbed. Livid doesn't even cover it.

On the one hand I can understand the policy, you can imagine the number of people who know nothing about cars and think they will need recovery but a quick fix will help. On the other hand it's bloody infuriating!

Sorry to hear of your woes Charles :(
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Post by Ikule » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:43 pm

:shock: 6+ hrs Thats shocking service Charles,

the one time i used the breakdown service (touch wood!) was when my Turbo'd Astra sheared all the teeth off second gear 8) :lol:
and stranded me on Anglesey, the phone call was basically "either the clutch has gone or gearbox and its going to need a recovery truck",

within 3/4 of an hour a flatbed arrives and the car was transported back to Manchester with no problems, so a big bo*****ing is very definately in order for the RAC i feel

I'm with Greenflag in case your wondering, although it was quite a few years ago this happened.

All credit to NOG for the way that they sorted it out for you in total contrast to the RAC.
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Post by Simon1397 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:11 pm

Sorry to hear about the very long wait but I'm curious about the RAC recovery; when the head gasket went on my B10 the AA came in a transit but they had a hydraulic front axle lift hoist in the back of the van with which they picked the front of the B10 up (after assuring them it weights no more than a 528i) and took me home - do the RAC not have the same system installed?
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Post by CaPtBlaCk » Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:45 am

Simon1397 wrote:Sorry to hear about the very long wait but I'm curious about the RAC recovery; when the head gasket went on my B10 the AA came in a transit but they had a hydraulic front axle lift hoist in the back of the van with which they picked the front of the B10 up (after assuring them it weights no more than a 528i) and took me home - do the RAC not have the same system installed?
The RAC hoist would not fit the front wheels on my B10, hence we had a 5 hour spectacular waiting for a flatbed at the back end of last year. Maybe the AA have lager wheel mountings although it would not help those with an automatic transmission...
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Post by Simon1397 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:44 pm

Yes, mines a manual transmission, hadn't thought about auto (SW) transmission, so I'd have thought this would rule out a 'lift' for Charles' B3S. My B10 had the OE 18" wheels and fitted perfectly OK in the AA hoist, would probably fit your 19" set up but couldn't say for sure.
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Post by Ikule » Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:15 pm

I would think a hoist would fit Charles' winter wheel + tyres ok, the fact it wasn't offered is probably due to the autobox restriction on being towed,
i think the recomendations are 40mph max for a certain distance but not too sure :think
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Post by Kyle » Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:42 pm

Shocker...

Humours read tho!

Let us know if the RAC do anything to remedy their blunders!

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Post by Bruce M » Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:11 pm

yup, used to be with the RAC.

My second car, a VW type 3 fastback, broke down in Edinburgh.

I phoned and told them it would need towed to a garage as I knew it had "dropped a valve".

"Of course, sir". A few hours later, the man with a small escort van turns up. I explained that the engine had dropped a valve and explained exactly why I knew this. The guy asked if I would turn the engine over. I was less than happy with this as I knew there was part of a valve somewhere inside the bore and turning the engine over on the starter was not a good idea. "luckily" the engine had seized and the boy gave up trying to fix it (risking more damage).

being in the middle of town meant it wasn't too long a wait for the flat bed.


Anyway, glad to see that NOG didn't muck about and just got it sorted.
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Post by Charles » Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:11 pm

Simon1397 wrote:Yes, mines a manual transmission, hadn't thought about auto (SW) transmission, so I'd have thought this would rule out a 'lift' for Charles' B3S. My B10 had the OE 18" wheels and fitted perfectly OK in the AA hoist, would probably fit your 19" set up but couldn't say for sure.
He did consider towing the car by lifting the rear end to get round the problems with the auto box. However, the low front spoiler, numerous potholes and the look on my face made him change his mind.

Glad you are all enjoying the saga. Thankfully I can see the funny side of it - particularly my new Mancunian friends - but that doesn't let the RAC off the hook in my mind and I am just about to let rip with them this afternoon.
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Post by vblanche » Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:44 pm

Charles, sorry to hear all this saga.. RAC is then highly not recommended...
Charles wrote: the look on my face made him change his mind.
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Post by Charles » Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:39 pm

Not necessarily, Vincent - my case may be the one very rare occasion when they drop the ball.

However, my phone call this lunchtime doesn't suggest this ...

... in simple terms, I advised the RAC that I wanted to make an official complaint on Wednesday evening. Phoning them today I was told that Mandy is looking after me and that she had been allocated my case this morning. When I enquired (very calmly I might add) what had happened between Wednesday and today in terms of allocation, I was informed that they have a large workload of complaints to deal with :shock:

Parking that particular gem, I then asked whether it might be a good idea for the RAC to phone the customer as soon as the case is allocated so that the customer would know what was going on.

Silly me! That would have been far too sensible and for my troubles I got the auto-defensive response along the lines of "there's only so much we can do".

Well, dear reader, you'll be pleased to hear that, having left a message for said Mandy to give me a call so that she could hear my side of things before making her mind up, the RAC have remained consistent in their actions and have decided to keep me waiting.

I guess it's too much to expect an organisation that deals with irate and/or upset people every day to handle a calm request - because today I remained extremely calm - in a manner that puts them in a good light.

Of course I am spoiling for a good fight, but it doesn't feel right when my opponent continues to shoot themselves in the foot without me firing anything but a warning shot across their bows.

Or are they trying to lull me into a false sense of security?

Stay tuned for the next thrilling instalment of David & Goliath ....
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