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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Condolences to her family.
She was a family member,mother, wife and whatever else and no matter what she did in the past her family will be going through a tough time of it at the moment and my heart goes out to them.


I was never a Tory fan and being up in Scotland remember the Poll Tax riots well.. Not a popular lady here at all but she had more balls than any other prime minister since Churchill,

I'm glad she tore the unions to shreds but sad that she stole all the milk.

Whatever ones opinion of her she will no doubt go down in history for being the one that changed the face of the UK forever
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had forgotten that, when she was Education Secretary in the early 70s, she oversaw the closure of grammar schools to make way for the comprehensive education system.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me that some people here (who are old enough to remember) have forgotten Thatcherism.
She was brought to power with one aim in mind - to break the NUM and therefore the unions en masse.
With the help of the Nottinghamshire miners she managed it - and then promptly forgot about the Nottinghamshire miners when she closed their pits too.
The collateral damage was the decimation of towns and villages (mostly in the north and north east), some of the constituents of which helped to put her in power.

Yes, the unions were too powerful at the time but they had the welfare of their workforce in mind. Does that make them right? No, not at all, but to use a sledgehammer to crack a walnut was never going to be the way.

The Falklands was a means to an end for her. Her support was waning both in Parliament and the country and she needed a cause for the nation to get behind to take pressure off her. The Falklands filled that niche nicely.

She sold off every money-making nationalised business to her friends, raping the country of assets.

And don't forget gentleman the relaxation of the banking regulations started on her watch. She allowed the country to grow alright (and her wealthy friends and bankers to make billions) whilst the going was good - but at what price?
Well, we're seeing the price now and for the next 30 years paying off the nation's debts. The money has all gone to her friends and companies and bank bosses and who's going to pay the bill?
YOU ARE!

Thanks Margaret! Rot in hell!

ps I didn't sit on the fence too much, did I? Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

quackers wrote:
It seems to me that some people here (who are old enough to remember) have forgotten Thatcherism.
She was brought to power with one aim in mind - to break the NUM and therefore the unions en masse.
With the help of the Nottinghamshire miners she managed it - and then promptly forgot about the Nottinghamshire miners when she closed their pits too.
The collateral damage was the decimation of towns and villages (mostly in the north and north east), some of the constituents of which helped to put her in power.

Yes, the unions were too powerful at the time but they had the welfare of their workforce in mind. Does that make them right? No, not at all, but to use a sledgehammer to crack a walnut was never going to be the way.

The Falklands was a means to an end for her. Her support was waning both in Parliament and the country and she needed a cause for the nation to get behind to take pressure off her. The Falklands filled that niche nicely.

She sold off every money-making nationalised business to her friends, raping the country of assets.

And don't forget gentleman the relaxation of the banking regulations started on her watch. She allowed the country to grow alright (and her wealthy friends and bankers to make billions) whilst the going was good - but at what price?
Well, we're seeing the price now and for the next 30 years paying off the nation's debts. The money has all gone to her friends and companies and bank bosses and who's going to pay the bill?
YOU ARE!

Thanks Margaret! Rot in hell!

ps I didn't sit on the fence too much, did I? Smile


Nice to see such a well balanced post Rolling Eyes , did you have to work in candle light because your loonie leftie "brothers" were constantly on strike . I did Confused
Sounds like a massive amount of sour grapes, the so called socialists were cosying up to the bankers, and it was their deregulation that allowed the rampant greed of the bankers to cause our current crisis.
Plus your wonderful Gordon Brown, sold off all our Gold reserves for 2 billion, they are now worth 13 billion, sheer genius.
And we are now paying the price of 13 years of total Labour corruption and mismanagement.
I presume having no respect for the dead is another wonderful leftie trait Naughty
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

B10BRW wrote:
quackers wrote:
It seems to me that some people here (who are old enough to remember) have forgotten Thatcherism.
She was brought to power with one aim in mind - to break the NUM and therefore the unions en masse.
With the help of the Nottinghamshire miners she managed it - and then promptly forgot about the Nottinghamshire miners when she closed their pits too.
The collateral damage was the decimation of towns and villages (mostly in the north and north east), some of the constituents of which helped to put her in power.

Yes, the unions were too powerful at the time but they had the welfare of their workforce in mind. Does that make them right? No, not at all, but to use a sledgehammer to crack a walnut was never going to be the way.

The Falklands was a means to an end for her. Her support was waning both in Parliament and the country and she needed a cause for the nation to get behind to take pressure off her. The Falklands filled that niche nicely.

She sold off every money-making nationalised business to her friends, raping the country of assets.

And don't forget gentleman the relaxation of the banking regulations started on her watch. She allowed the country to grow alright (and her wealthy friends and bankers to make billions) whilst the going was good - but at what price?
Well, we're seeing the price now and for the next 30 years paying off the nation's debts. The money has all gone to her friends and companies and bank bosses and who's going to pay the bill?
YOU ARE!

Thanks Margaret! Rot in hell!

ps I didn't sit on the fence too much, did I? Smile


Nice to see such a well balanced post Rolling Eyes , did you have to work in candle light because your loonie leftie "brothers" were constantly on strike . I did Confused
Sounds like a massive amount of sour grapes, the so called socialists were cosying up to the bankers, and it was their deregulation that allowed the rampant greed of the bankers to cause our current crisis.
Plus your wonderful Gordon Brown, sold off all our Gold reserves for 2 billion, they are now worth 13 billion, sheer genius.
And we are now paying the price of 13 years of total Labour corruption and mismanagement.
I presume having no respect for the dead is another wonderful leftie trait Naughty

LOL, thank you Smile
I notice you're in the south.
Yes I did have to endure the 3 day weeks and the power cuts. Did it stop you blow drying your hair or something important like that?

Banking deregulation began in the 80's. I don't recall Labour having much to do with anything in the 80's, do you?

Gold has risen in value - it happens! Just like BT stock has risen - but she sold that.

Corruption? In a government? Surely not!

Sir, you seem to have a short and selective memory.

Respect is earned, not demanded. I'm not even sure she was human. She certainly didn't have any concerns for the families she took the income from but hey, they were mostly mere northerners.

I suspect we'll have to agree to disagree then Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I suspect we'll have to agree to disagree then Smile

And I suspect that you'll have to stop being personal about people you don't know:

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Did it stop you blow drying your hair or something important like that?

Arguing the political toss is fine here but lowering the tone and making it personal is unnecessary and demonstrates an inability to offer an objective argument.

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Respect is earned, not demanded.

Your words ...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charles,
I suspect this post has just about run it's course so lock it if you see fit.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tone was lowered as soon as her name was mentioned, in my opinion.

I've made the points I wished to make in an attempt to redress the balance in regard to earlier, more glowing remarks which were in error factually in my opinion.

The hair drying comment was a joke. It is unfortunate that you have taken exception to it, but that's life.

I make no apologies for my stated views. They are formed from my own memories of those dreadful times.
If you don't agree or don't like my views or don't like my sentiments you are free to have your say. It is of no importance to me that you dissent just as her demise is of no importance to me.
She should have gone many years ago as far as I'm concerned. It makes it all the more fitting that she was eventually seen off by her own kind.

One more thing Charles.
Just because I'm not a Tory does not mean I'm a "leftie". It just means I'm not a Tory.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

quackers,
I'm not Tory either but i can still see the wood for the trees.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure you can!
Anyway, that's my last word on this distasteful subject - you may be glad to hear Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every post on every forum I read has ended this way about this subject.
Hardly a shock as the Women really split opinion but your right it should not result in personal insults from either side.



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dellboy 1959 wrote:
Charles,
I suspect this post has just about run it's course so lock it if you see fit.

Happy to leave it open for the moment - so long as discussion stays on topic about the perceived rights and wrongs of Thatcher during her time as a politician.

quackers wrote:
One more thing Charles.
Just because I'm not a Tory does not mean I'm a "leftie". It just means I'm not a Tory.

Didn't suggest otherwise - simply making sure that the debate doesn't degenerate as it has the potential to do
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, and balanced, article on the BBC Website by the historian Dominic Sandbrook

In the article DS wrote:
Even if she had never been prime minister, many of the changes she came to represent, from privatisation and deregulation to the death of heavy industry and the rise in unemployment, would almost certainly have happened anyway, only more slowly.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did warn at the start it may well turn into a slanging match Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most people realise that things had to change but you do not change things for the better by destroying them first and laying waste to millions of hard working skilled people. We are now reaping the financial poor harvest of the bad seeds of greed that were sown then and we are nothing like the industrial nation we should be now.
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