Help with Alpina history

[E24man]

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[AG]

where is this 540i advertised?

But yes after around late 92 Sytner ceased building Alpina cars for the UK market based on the host car and imported fully built examples, so late e34's and the e36's etc etc all had an Alpina VIN (so 2 with the BMW vin crossed through).

So I can see your confusion as some earlier UK e34 B10's may have a BMW vin only and some Euro supplied cars may have 2 vins, but as said no B10 V8 '540 based car' was produced by Sytner so they'd have an Alpina vin.

[E24man]

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[richard64]

Hi it's for sale privately from a director of the company i work for, he lives near Bingley, he's owned it for 16 years and was told it was in Peter Black's museum or collection before being sold. Is there any info on the whereabouts of car /004? I'm guessing fake Alpina plaques were available back then?

[richard64]

There is also a PDI inspection documents from 1993 with 7 miles printed and the customer is Clock garage ltd? A 2nd running in inspection with 190 miles on it and a service schedule from 1995 not showing the mileage but the customer name is peter Black.

[hap]

Itd be much easier for informed advice if your able to load the images of documents pics of interior the dash plaque under the engine or indeed the reg number
Cheers
Ps from what I describe it appears this may be. 540 with alpina wheels green sticker in door jam and if it’s a brushed aluminium alpina sticker one piece this may have been added when new

[E24man]

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[AG]

The two rhd E34 B10 4.0 cars I linked to earlier were made by Sytner in 1993 and 1994 so only have one VIN

Thats interesting, all Alpina's after a certain date were imported ready build, pretty sure that was around 94, but the straight 6's ceased production around 92 anyhow so that would possibly have been the end of the B10 3.5/1 models anyhow.

[Bob]

I have spoken to the current keepers of both the RHD Sytner built B10 4.0 cars and they are both north of 175k miles these days.

But yes after around late 92 Sytner ceased building Alpina cars for the UK market based on the host car and imported fully built examples, so late e34's and the e36's etc etc all had an Alpina VIN (so 2 with the BMW vin crossed through).

So I can see your confusion as some earlier UK e34 B10's may have a BMW vin only and some Euro supplied cars may have 2 vins, but as said no B10 V8 '540 based car' was produced by Sytner so they'd have an Alpina vin.

There were a couple of E30 C2 2.7 Cabrios & E36 2.8/2 Coupes registered in late 93 and 3 or 4 E36 B2.5's that were registered in late 94/95 by Sytner, but not certain on actual build dates.

As a demonstration of the various Alpina anomalies, the very first E34 B10 3.5/1, number 001 is a rhd car so should feature on the Buchloe numbering system but I don't know whether it has two VIN's or whether Sytner or Buchloe made it.

Kees has always classed that one as a Sytner built car rather than including it in the Buchloe build sequence. I had always assumed that as with the E32 B11 3.5, the first one that Sytner built as a demo/FS car didn't get a formal number and became anecdotally known as #001.

[E24man]

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[Bob]

I have spoken to the current keepers of both the RHD Sytner built B10 4.0 cars and they are both north of 175k miles these days.

But yes after around late 92 Sytner ceased building Alpina cars for the UK market based on the host car and imported fully built examples, so late e34's and the e36's etc etc all had an Alpina VIN (so 2 with the BMW vin crossed through).

So I can see your confusion as some earlier UK e34 B10's may have a BMW vin only and some Euro supplied cars may have 2 vins, but as said no B10 V8 '540 based car' was produced by Sytner so they'd have an Alpina vin.

There were a couple of E30 C2 2.7 Cabrios & E36 2.8/2 Coupes registered in late 93 and 3 or 4 E36 B2.5's that were registered in late 94/95 by Sytner, but not certain on actual build dates.

The owner of one of the E34 B10 4.0 cars contacted me earlier this year just to ask my advice about certain elements and quirks - I knew both were high mileage and one of them Kees had recorded as dismantled but thankfully it wasn't so Kees amended his records.

Sytner were certainly building a few odd cars past 1992 as the two E34 cars demonstrate, but UK rhd E36 B3 3.0 cars, with Alpina chassis numbers were being constructed in Buchloe from 1993.

I can't find any cars built by Sytner after 1994.

Kees had the blue one as dismantled for a good few years but since finding out it's being restored we've resurrected it.

Its certainly likely that build dates for the cars I mentioned were a good bit before registration dates but without some more info, it's impossible to know for sure.

It's probably clearer to draw the line based on specific models rather than a specific date. As you say, all the E36 3.0's, E39's and E38's were Buchloe built, whereas the E34 B10 3.5/1 & 4.0 and E36 B6 2.8/2 & B2.5 were built in the UK as well.

[richard64]

I don't have many but here's couple of photos used for the agreed valuation for insurance. The original registration number was L992 ERN, it had a private reg. for a time NC6362

[richard64]

This is the only other one I have.

[richard64]

One other thing is a build sheet for the car saying the supplying dealer was Bowker, who looks to be in Preston.

[Bob]

That build plaque looks more legitimate than I was expecting, it is not dissimilar to the 4.0 car’s. This is the Blue car’s.