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Post by Kentish man » Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:37 pm

You've said it. 300 years ago. Good luck.Lets leave it there!

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Re: Scottish Independance

Post by Chas » Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:00 pm

Kentish man wrote:I thought it was you lot ,who advocate leaving the UK who were the moaners.
Forgive me Kentish Man but I'm simply trying to understand why you want us in the first place..?

We spend your money on our parliament buildings; we trash your pension; we send your sons to war in far off lands; and we moan a lot. Why then are we better together from your perspective? Surely you should support our departure from your island nation? If you're the well educated Englishman you claim to be, why aren't you pro-independence?

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Re: Scottish Independance

Post by E24man » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:50 am

Chas wrote:
Kentish man wrote:I thought it was you lot ,who advocate leaving the UK who were the moaners.
Forgive me Kentish Man but I'm simply trying to understand why you want us in the first place..?

We spend your money on our parliament buildings; we trash your pension; we send your sons to war in far off lands; and we moan a lot. Why then are we better together from your perspective? Surely you should support our departure from your island nation? If you're the well educated Englishman you claim to be, why aren't you pro-independence?


Sadly the point you're making is starting, as the vitriol on both sides increases, to snowball and gather pace - more and more of those who will remain in the UK are starting to work through the arguements, see past the Nationalistic fervour and Political bravado/bluster/bullshit and see the potential benefits to the UK post Independence of Scotland.

English, Welsh and Northern Irish residents won't and shouldn't get a vote on Scottish Independence (or should they ;) ) but they should and hopefully will get to vote on issues affecting the rest of the UK and it's relationship with a newly Independent Scotland with specific regard to anything that might our Nations financial and job securitys.

It's all rather sad but if it must be so then each Independent Country or Union must make the decisions for its peoples based on the benefits to those peoples its beholden to support.

I appreciate the position of and can partly understand those who hold views supporting the Yes vote but I do still have the nagging feeling that very little of the seemingly very essential details have been thought through - but I can also see that perhaps many people are beyond the point of strictly rational thoughts and just wish to be emotionally led to the potential of their own State, their own Nation, their own exclusive identity and want all that despite the potential risks in the way.
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Re: Scottish Independance

Post by MickB3 » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:22 am

ali-bumble wrote: We are but a Colony bought by Westminster in the 17th Century for £20,000
They were robbed :twisted:
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Re: Scottish Independance

Post by PerryGunn » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:47 am

MickB3 wrote:
ali-bumble wrote: We are but a Colony bought by Westminster in the 17th Century for £20,000
They were robbed :twisted:
Yeah, Manhattan was a much better buy... :wink:
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Post by ali » Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:17 pm

The UK as a whole has been brought to its knees since the 70's and has never recovered., Cameron et al continue this downward spiral that I do not wish to be part of.
We should consider ourselves very lucky that we have the chance to leave the UK and not stay aboard the sinking ship that it currently is.
Take manufacturing V GDP for example.
Here in the UK that ratio is about half what it is in the most of Europe
We were once a nation(UK) to be proud of before Maggie sold off everything and killed out industry.
Now we(Scotland) have a chance to rectify this
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Post by B10BRW » Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:17 pm

ali-bumble wrote:The UK as a whole has been brought to its knees since the 70's and has never recovered. [/quote

Yes by Scottish"politicians" :( , you are more than welcome to Blair and Brown, and all the other Scottish Labour MPs who have shafted the whole of the UK not just England.

They have also had a bias towards Scotland, free hospital parking, free prescriptions, etc,etc, all paid for by UK tax payers.
I do not care less whether Scotland leaves the UK or not, just don't moan when it all goes horribly wrong :wink: :lol:

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Post by E24man » Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:05 am

ali-bumble wrote:The UK as a whole has been brought to its knees since the 70's and has never recovered.
I'm not sure of the clarity of your memories from the early 1970's when there was massive Industrial unrest, constant striking, power cuts, a three day working week, and unsupportable reliance on the state to keep businesses afloat.
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Post by Charles » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:44 pm

As someone who is not eligible to vote due to not being (or ever have been) resident in Scotland, I feel that I am not as fully briefed by either side of the argument as I would like to be - in an interested observer capacity.

The problem, as I see it, is that there are a number of significant issues that need to be considered which appear to present conflicting benefits to each side. As such, this will lead to a rather cloudy view which will generate polarised opinions depending on which issue you are focusing on.

The overall result will depend on the balance that the voters choose for all of these issues and at the moment, each side is pushing those issues that show their case in the best light - and, by definition, shows the other side poorly.

What I do have an opinion on is that Mr Salmond and his team are taking advantage of this more successfully than the Better Together team at the moment, but then this has always been something that Mr Salmond has always been very skilled at.

Which way should it go? I don't know

Which way will it go? Again, I don't know

Which way do I want it to go? I favour the retention of the Union but with greater clarity regarding who is responsible for what. But then, this is what I believe Mr Salmond is actually hoping to achieve and something the Westminster establishment are trying to avoid.

One word of caution for Mr Salmond, however, as he should be careful what he wishes for. With greater responsibility comes greater accountability. Remember that this is the man who won his first political election when he was voted onto the School Council at the age of 9 by promising to scrap milk and introduce milkshakes. It's no surprise that he failed to deliver on his promises then ....
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Post by 190Colditz » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:05 pm

Amazing that this subject causes so much debate when the UK as a whole cannot agree what, how much or whether at all it wants to do with the EU yet remains a member of all but the shared currency (barring a few pointless veto rights).

Meanwhile the UK tries its hardest to be the 51st state and at the same time tries to head up some thing called "the Commonwealth", where the wealth is commonly taken by a few heads of state and kept safe in a country called Switzerland which is neither in the Commonwealth or the EU.

The Scottish issue is quite simply not worth the debate amongst these issues and its presence in the political section of the news media is akin to a pop star's daughter dying becoming front page news - pointless and ludicrous.
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Post by E24man » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:23 am

Anyone wishing to guess the result in advance?
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Post by Broch » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:17 am

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